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(Part 3) Alabama Prisoners Consider Country’s Next Steps as President Trump Hides in Bunker in June

“B” — “It’s a People Thing” 

“Politically,” says B, President Trump “is in a bad situation. He put the whole country into a whole uproar.”

B has been incarcerated in Ventress Prison for around a decade. 

“With all the stuff going on right now,” B continues, Trump “should go ahead and be impeached” again, and removed from office. “For real,” he adds, “he should’ve been already.” 

Asked which actions are Trump’s most impeachable based on B’s own feelings of right and wrong, rather than what is realistic politically, B answers, “Basically, everything he’s done,” and wonders if there’s anything for which Trump should not be impeached.  

“He’s not doing right as far as the country goes right now,” B continues. “He is authorizing [police] to kill folks.” 

B has noticed from “watching Trump on television, making his statements, and what he says — it shows that he is not as intelligent as everybody thought. He’s not intelligent. He’s not the person for the people’s President.” 

B adds: “I mean, I wouldn’t select him for a President.” 

B “already knew” in 2016 when Trump was elected, “that it was gonna be some type of — it’s like …  when the people voted in Trump, they didn’t know what they was getting into.” 

It is Trump’s “arrogance,” says B, “that takes me away.” 

Asked which issues Trump is most arrogant about, “You name it,” he replies, then offers examples. 

“Getting people back across the border like that, the messed up border stuff — he is being arrogant about it.” 

B feels Trump is “slowing the economy down,” that he “don’t really give a damn” in general, “and the way he’s dealing with this riot situation … arrogant.” 

Not limited to Trump, B suspects “the Republican Party is in for a treat. That’s all I’ve got to say: They are in for a treat, because look who they got running the show.” 

He pauses, then repeats: “So — you know — they’re in for a treat, and however they want to look at it, it ain’t gonna come nice.” 

In B’s estimation, “The Republican Party got theirself cut out. You’re dealing with Trump — they should’ve never put him in Office.” Again, he says both parties “should have impeached” the President.  

“I think [Trump] is either trying to set things up to be a disaster before he leaves Office,” B continues, “or trying to stay in Office. And this ain’t the way to [get re-elected], because you’re causing a mass of people to get killed and hurt.” 

Even though “I don’t know [Trump] as a human being,” B says, “from what I do know of him, he’s a bunch of BS.” 

Be notes that in addition to Trump’s lack of political savvy, lack of intelligence, and the constant BS, all of which defy 2016 campaign promises, Trump is also “not [the] very good businessman” he’s claimed. 

“If he’s a businessman — true enough: With a very good businessman, it’s evident that he’s a very good business man,” B explains, but Trump “is not showing a business leadership. He’s not showing that he is a good businessman, because a good businessman would know how to weave around these decisions that he’s makin’ or has made in the Presidential seat.” 

Further, “I think he’s racial,” B adds. “I do think he’s racial, because of the statements he’s making, and how he’s handling situations.” 

Contextualizing Trump’s “racial” thinking in the recent demonstrations against police brutality, “Really,” B continues, “if it had been all Black protests, I think we would’ve been killed, a lot of people. But being that it’s a lot of people, Hispanics, Blacks — you know — everybody’s just participating” (more on this below).  

B comments on the political leadership of two-party politics in America more broadly. 

The Democratic Party leadership strikes him as “more positive,” he says, elaborating that the Democrats “would be more positive than what Trump’s got going on, way more positive than what he’s got going on, for real.” 

Asked his biggest criticisms of both political parties, B reflects, “Well, I’m going to be biased on both of those ends.” 

He explains: “It’s their world anyway. We’re just part of it, for real. They’re running it. And what we are doing is just being caught up in it. And we are voicing our opinions on certain things that — you know — probably will never be heard. But — you know …” 

B pauses, then continues, “But with [Trump], and what’s going on right now, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world that everybody’s missing.” 

Both parties “could be better” about those things, says B, adding, “It doesn’t really matter to me, though, because I already know how this Presidential thing is running. It’s: Our opinions, the people’s opinions, don’t always get up there.” 

Asked why the opinions of everyday people don’t matter more, “Ay,” B answers, “I guess that’s politics.” 

Asked if there are any political issues he is particularly interested in or concerned about, he answers neither yes nor no. Instead, he repeats that “it don’t really matter, just don’t. Sometimes, like I said, it just don’t really matter.” 

Asked if he can think of any exceptions, he replies, “not for real.” 

Asked if he would feel differently about political issues if he had more of a say in the democratic process, “Yeah, I probably would,” he answers. 

He adds: “I done voted before. I was voting when I left the street,” and says he would still vote if he was not incarcerated 

Asked his thoughts on why prisoners are not allowed to vote, “Good question,” he answers. 

He notes that prisoners “can still get the right to vote here … You’ve got to go through the process of it, then you can get voting rights” (See here). 

Asked which realities prisoners understand about America that Americans who have not been to prison cannot understand, “A lot of guys in prison are very intelligent, and have a lot of insights,” B answers. 

“Just because they’re in prison — that’s just a mild setback for a major comeback,” he says. 

“It’s just because we’re in prison [that] society pushes us and blackballs us, as if we are not part of the people that can think … There’s a lot of guys in prison that have way more intelligence than a lot of people in society.” 

He adds: “You’ve got to read, first. All you’ve got to do is read. If you’re reading, and understanding what’s going on, it’ll be better, but you have to take the time to understand what’s going on [in the text].” If you don’t take the time, “then you can’t understand it,” he says. 

B further discusses the free world mindset that stereotypes prisoners as unintelligent. 

“To be honest with you,” he begins, “People think that once a person goes to prison, they are real thugs. But [prisoners] are everyday people, just choosed on the wrong side.”

However, he notes, the widespread assumption by free world people that prisoners are less intelligent “has not overpowered us … We will go beyond to be happy, and keep those around us happy.” 

He reiterates: “People feel, once a person is convicted of a crime, that person doesn’t need another chance at a new life, or to enjoy life again.” 

The June interview with B concludes by returning to the subject of uprisings for Black lives and against police brutality . 

The problem is “not racism,” B explains. 

Rather, “The cops think they can do whatever they want, and kill people. Right. But they are cowards in a suit, hiding from one end of the law.” 

B adds: “I will say this: No Justice, No Peace. This [movement] has been long overdue. The people need to stand up for what is right.” 

One reason the “cops are crazy,” B explains, “is that they are a part of the movement, and they don’t even realize it. How could you hurt someone who is protesting for a cause?” 

B points out, “To be honest, it’s going to impact their asses as well, when [protests] are for the rights of the people. It’s not a Black thing. It’s a people thing.” 

If B was in the free world, he says, he would “for sure” be participating in nonviolent civil disobedience. 

If prisoners attempted to demonstrate in the prison, he says, the prison officers (commonly called Corrections Officers) “would make it out [to be] something else.”  Regarding officers, B continues, “I already know how they’re going to act, like it’s a riot or a security hazard.”

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